The news story of the apocalyptic carp - the one which started to spout revelations in Hebrew in New York - was described as "ichthyological theology," that is, Deus ex Piscem. In Hebrew one may refer to this as "Torah min hamayim" - Torah from the waters, as opposed to the more common Torah min shamayim, coming from the skies. (This is because "sky" - "shamayim" is actually a degenerated compound word, "sham-mayim": there-water. "Sun" - "shemesh" - similarly degenerates from "sham-esh," there-fire. This is a very old degeneration, probably predating Hebrew)
Ichthyological theology should not be confused with eschatological scatology ("Oh, shit. There goes the planet.") nor scatological eschatology. ("Well, the world seems to be going to shit today...")
On the subject of other word constructions, as I was discussing with
hansandersen and
doublefeh on the way home last night, Greek particles are fun. And there are some words that need to come into more widespread use: not just mythology but logomythy, the lore of learning, the secrets I tell my students about how to survive in physics; topology and topography need to be supplemented by topomythy, place-lore, not just an area knowledge but the stories of a locale; similarly mythography, the charting of legends, which keeps track of the ley lines and so on, and its linguistic dual graphomythy, the lore of mapmaking.English is a great language.
Correction: It occurs to me that logomythy shouldn't be the lore of study, but word-lore itself: that is, the content of this posting.
OK, I need to stop trying to avoid work now.
March 16 2003, 12:45:35 UTC 12 years ago
Not the least of which because it borrowed so much of the good stuff from other languages.
Topology and topography need to be supplemented by topomythy, place-lore, not just an area knowledge but the stories of a locale; similarly mythography, the charting of legends, which keeps track of the ley lines and so on, and its linguistic dual graphomythy, the lore of mapmaking.
You got through this statement without using the word geo." Why?
Geomancy is a name given to the use of the Earth's energies, for magic or just tracking across the landscape in an intuitive way. However, it's also used sometimes by dowsers who use their instruments to divine where the ley-lines and other underground sources of Earth-energy are present. I'm not sure whether I agree that those today both dowsing the lines and writing about them ought to call themselves geomancers, but they do, and because some of them are my friends I'm not yet prepared to argue them out of it. :)
March 16 2003, 13:05:04 UTC 12 years ago
Hmm... could that lead to another good geo word? Geomania, a madness about the Earth?
March 16 2003, 13:21:27 UTC 12 years ago
Speaking of word-magic, around the time I was proofing
March 16 2003, 13:27:07 UTC 12 years ago
March 16 2003, 13:37:16 UTC 12 years ago
Amusingly, and taking this full circle, I note on the same page that "ichthyomancy" is divination using fish -- or fish entrails.
March 16 2003, 13:39:09 UTC 12 years ago
March 16 2003, 13:46:08 UTC 12 years ago
What if the carp was channeling God? I'm not sure I have the linguistic werewithal to come up with a word for that.
March 16 2003, 13:53:21 UTC 12 years ago
*Groan* *Thwack!*
And perhaps the word for a fish channeling the divine will ought to be ichthyophany? ("Showing by means of a fish" - since phanein is the word used for things like epiphany, the manifestation of the divine?)
March 16 2003, 14:05:36 UTC 12 years ago
March 16 2003, 14:10:46 UTC 12 years ago
Perhaps there's a good word for those people who stand on streetcorners portending that "the end is near." That could fit into it someplace.
March 16 2003, 14:19:15 UTC 12 years ago
Perhaps we should refer to it as an ichthyoglossic phenomenon, and leave open the question of whether it was in fact an epiichthic theophany, or simply some eschatological theomania on the part of the fishmongers?
(OK, I admit that the last sentence was simply silly and wholly gratuitous. I think I like ichthyophany.)
March 16 2003, 17:50:53 UTC 12 years ago
It occurs to me, as a Pisces with a German last name, that perhaps I should start applying such terminology to myself. ;) I tried reading these sentences aloud to my boyfriend, Devin, and it mostly just in a lot of me laughing and trying to get through words. Not that one should be very serious when discussing a doomsaying fish.
Perhaps we should refer to it as an ichthyoglossic phenomenon, and leave open the question of whether it was in fact an epiichthic theophany, or simply some eschatological theomania on the part of the fishmongers?
We discussed this a bit (not in such words) over a late lunch with
(OK, I admit that the last sentence was simply silly and wholly gratuitous. I think I like ichthyophany.)
I see no harm in that!
March 16 2003, 21:44:43 UTC 12 years ago
(And would that make this a pseudoichthyoglossia?)
March 16 2003, 23:25:01 UTC 12 years ago
March 16 2003, 13:35:31 UTC 12 years ago
Well, alright, "common" may be a bit of a misnomer. The only modern use I can think of for it is in Gaiman somewhere, Hettie explaining to some young folk exactly what she needed that dove for...
March 16 2003, 13:42:36 UTC 12 years ago
Ohhh... interesting:
Main Entry: ha·rus·pex
Etymology: Latin, from haru- (akin to chordE gut, cord) + -spex, from specere to look
Main Entry: hara-kiri
Etymology: Japanese harakiri, from hara belly + kiri cutting
Probably these words aren't related, but I'm equally fascinated when words from entirely different languages sound similar and mean similar things.
whoa, small net...
March 18 2003, 00:49:26 UTC 12 years ago
Howdy! How's life? You intentionally trying to ward off nerds by not listing any LJ interests?
-jake